Video & Transcript: Ossining DPW Site Redevelopment ENGAGEMENT SERIES: Show Me the Money

Tuesday, February 2, 7PM
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Rika Levin: Good evening everyone, welcome to our next session that we are having regarding the.

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Rika Levin: rethinking of the dp w site, we have created the sessions for public engagement in a way that we think allows the public to become engaged on subject matters that speaks to them on all the subject matter tonight's topic is, thank you to our very clever staff show us the money.

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Rika Levin: And I think it's very appropriate, the purpose of the public engagement sessions.

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Rika Levin: is to hear from the public, anything that you would like us to know you may think the initiative is too big it's too small, you don't like it at all you love it you want more of them feel free to share with us, this is not.

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Rika Levin: A selling proposition, where the staff and the electives are here to tell you why this is a great project we've already made it really clear.

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Rika Levin: Last year, and again this year that as elected officials, we think there needs to be a different use of this property.

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Rika Levin: That is owned by the village, and we have taken many steps in the process to think through what we think is best.

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Rika Levin: And so that we've already stated for public knowledge and for public record now we'd like to hear from the public any questions you have the financials, in my opinion, is always sort of complicated.

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Rika Levin: The other piece i'd like all of you to think about not only to raise your hand and be involved in the conversation and take it wherever you want.

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Rika Levin: but also to share this with other residents in ossining show it to your accountant show it to your neighbor whoever you want to help you understand.

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Rika Levin: The facts, the data, the presentations you can reach the board members, if you want to speak to us.

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Rika Levin: directly through Bo T at village of ossining.org any one of the trustees by their last name at village of arcing.org not everybody likes to speak on camera this entire session is going to be recorded for future use please share it when this.

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Rika Levin: comes out share all the sessions and join us for all the sessions we really want to hear from you and i'm going to turn it over now to village manager dilatory to take us through the presentation that the village has worked on and then open up for questions.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you mayor 11 indeed we have been working on this for some time and we're very excited to show you the presentation tonight that really talks, not in granular detail about the finances because we're not there yet um but in in.

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Karen Dattore: A discussion about.

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Karen Dattore: Many reasons why the village has identified this as a really ideal project for this particular site and a lot of it has to do with financial benefits, I will also take you through.

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Karen Dattore: The you know the concept of payment in lieu of taxes that is often used to help finance and subsidized affordable housing.

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Karen Dattore: And with that i'd like to turn it over to hi may, and we have a brief presentation that will set the context for this discussion and then afterwards, we are willing to entertain any question, you may have then comments, thank you.

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Karen Dattore: Jaime Jaime Martinez our director of planning.

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Karen Dattore: Thanks go.

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Jaime Martinez: So let me share my screen and we're going to go through this relatively quickly so obviously if anybody, you know gets to a point where they see a question, and they want to.

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Jaime Martinez: Come back and ask about it, I can always just kind of jump back to a slide for anybody in the audience that has some questions would like to sort of fill me in a little bit and get a little more context.

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Jaime Martinez: So you know, starting with a little recap, we have every single one of these, we expected there's going to be more people that maybe didn't get the last one.

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Jaime Martinez: are going to be there, so all you have to start with a little bit of a recap, and we have some additional photographs today that we can add to the project.

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Jaime Martinez: The presentation so first a little history, about the the site it's a 3.4 acre site bounded by water street Main Street seeker road in central avenue the site is traverse by the 16 kill.

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Jaime Martinez: To contaminated brownfield site and the site was used as a coal, gas plant from the 1850s up until the 1940s.

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Jaime Martinez: it's subject to consent order by the New York State Department of environmental conservation and to give you a little context here's a picture that was given to us by.

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Jaime Martinez: vulnerability historian and new board is Jesse being a white and you can see sort of the the you know what's going on on the site, so this is water street down here.

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Jaime Martinez: This is Main Street and central avenue to the pretty heavily industrial site and property and used in that way, for now, many years some of that you can still see today, including this small retaining wall that goes around.

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Jaime Martinez: The plant.

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Jaime Martinez: So here's the site now, it looks obviously very different all that infrastructure has been taken off the top and what you're left with is essentially a brownfield plus some new.

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Jaime Martinez: btw buildings that were put up later on some shades and some of these items actually have been taken out the sheds are no longer there.

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Jaime Martinez: The piles of dirt though do remain.

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Jaime Martinez: So now for the proposed to use the property proposal that is in front of us from Walter Walter is a.

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Jaime Martinez: Mixed use building with 109 residential units with a range of affordability from 30% to 80% am I, and if you have interested in trying to get a little more detail on that you can go back to our last presentation or kind of dig in deeper on what am I means.

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Jaime Martinez: The project would also have the extension of a sink sink kill greenway through the site to water street.

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Jaime Martinez: We have a parking garage for residents and with the potential for an additional level of me misspoke parking to be built by the developer.

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Jaime Martinez: This is what it looks like or what it's supposed to look like under the current.

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Jaime Martinez: proposal with the retail the parking and all the other elements.

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Jaime Martinez: So the impacts of the current use this is this is part of why we're here today, I mean, obviously, if this was a fantastic site, then it wouldn't really need redevelopment.

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Jaime Martinez: Unfortunately, the site itself is currently being used as a organic I btw organic waste yard and that does have an impact on the Jason music.

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Jaime Martinez: So the the redevelopment of the Jason they can build even parcels that are really in close proximity to this are made more challenging just due to the proximity of that dp w use it's it's really hard to.

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Jaime Martinez: You know, as a private developer, to go to a bank and say hey we want to invest in these properties over here when you have a you know when you have a use of this type right adjacent to the properties where you're trying to.

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Jaime Martinez: Be that as it needed there are some really strong strengths in the array of proximity to train station to the waterfront you have a potential reviews and currently those are really being negated by the proximity to this dp w site.

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Jaime Martinez: So you can get a little better shot of what it looks like right from the street, and this is what you know people are going to see when they get off the train this where people are assuming to drive it down to the district.

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Jaime Martinez: So some of them some more on the development challenges right properties, to the east of the train station station are still struggling to redevelop.

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Jaime Martinez: Lower Main Street and sequel road it's currently comprised of many vacant lots as well as a lot of empty buildings or several empty buildings on seeker.

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Jaime Martinez: And while there has been interest in rehab redevelopment expressed in the area as of, yet we have not seen any major investment in this neighborhood.

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Jaime Martinez: So this kind of gives you a sense of where the site is as well as all those sort of areas that could see some reinvestment along with these sort of vacant lots over here.

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Jaime Martinez: municipal parking lots and different things of that nature, and so we have again not really seen much going on, you can see how the site is really central to that station applause and North neighborhood.

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Jaime Martinez: And this is the proposed building So you can see, this sense how how transformative a project here could be because it adds a park down here.

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Jaime Martinez: I that's the walkway additional parking for some of these really high dense dense sort of existing units down here we don't have the ability to provide parking on the street, as well as some additional retail to the downtown to the station Plaza north.

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Jaime Martinez: Alright, so impacts of the proposed use right.

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Jaime Martinez: First, the redevelopment of the site would look to yield multiple benefits to the surrounding neighborhood.

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Jaime Martinez: At the top of that list really is the stabilization stabilization of uses down to central avenue or really up to central avenue in the station pleasant North neighborhood be the additional needed parking to a neighborhood with limited overnight option.

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Jaime Martinez: it'd be.

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Jaime Martinez: The same thing.

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Jaime Martinez: Either 16 kill greenway from station Plaza downtown.

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Jaime Martinez: Where we have additional residents to.

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Jaime Martinez: Support the retail that's already near the train, there will be additional parkland a Community space and there, of course, also be that additional retail space they can drive more people to the area.

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Jaime Martinez: So a little bit on taxes, you know just as a sort of background taxes on large commercial buildings are generally based off of net income, which is, whatever your revenues minus the expensive it is to run that building.

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Jaime Martinez: The higher rents generally mean higher full tax bills per unit and affordable housing produces lower net operating income, then market rate housing.

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Jaime Martinez: pretty much in all cases, this for for new developments, like this is shortfall is funded by tax credits and other subsidies that required long term affordability, by way of like restrictive covenants that you that is mandated by law that those units stay affordable.

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Jaime Martinez: For a pilot pilots are kind of like a you know, a word that gets people's ears pete what they mean are is that they are payments in lieu of taxes and, in general, pilots are generally lower than a full tax payment and there's for a fixed number of years, they increase annually.

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Jaime Martinez: Based off of a negotiated pilot schedule, so they have escalators built into them based off of that negotiation.

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Jaime Martinez: and local municipalities and county governments often assistant, the development of affordable housing through the sale of land to developers through pilots.

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Jaime Martinez: In this project, the primary the pilot will primarily go to cover the debt service for the construction of the 16 kill greenway extension and the public parking level, as well as any other public amenities that end up coming out of this plan.

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Jaime Martinez: And at the end of the day after the pilot is completed the building would revert to full taxes.

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Jaime Martinez: So a little bit on that new commercial space, the commercial space is projected to have about 3800 square feet of new commercial space within the building.

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Jaime Martinez: The new space would look to be fully adaptable to support any type of small retail that meets the needs of the Community.

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Jaime Martinez: And it looks to be a potential driver to the area to support economic growth to the station problem or neighborhood and again it's only 1300 square foot so we're not talking about.

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Jaime Martinez: A huge development with a huge amount of traffic but it looks to be complimentary to the building itself.

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Jaime Martinez: Really, with a focus on making sure that it enhances the project that enhances the neighborhood and so here's a little zoomed in look at where that retail would be sort of fronted right onto water street.

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Jaime Martinez: And that's under the current design as a habit right now so.

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Jaime Martinez: A little bit about affordable housing needs in the village, so what we know based off of research in 2017 there around 900 income restricted affordable units, including section eight vouchers in the village.

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Jaime Martinez: And over about 50 little over 59% of renters or 2414 councils are considered to be cost burden, so what that means is that they spend more than 30% of their income on rent.

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Jaime Martinez: And over 33% of renters, which is about 1400 and 70 households are severely costs word, which means that they spend greater than 50% of their income on rent.

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Jaime Martinez: So you know, one of the big questions that has come up is sort of you know something else right, so what else can we do here.

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Jaime Martinez: The two main questions where should this site be of equal housing, or should it be something else, and the second question was well if the goal is to provide affordable housing, and why should go here and why not somewhere else.

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Jaime Martinez: So we'll start with the first question, you know should something else go here.

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Jaime Martinez: Right now, we know that the brownfield remediation cost is estimated to be about $4.5 million the distance from.

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Jaime Martinez: You know, major thoroughfares and the site layout make it difficult to put something like a big box retail there or other types of white industrial use.

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Jaime Martinez: So those those really just don't work because of the you know because of the kill, because the layout of the site.

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Jaime Martinez: So those can't work there if we you know wanted to use it as a park.

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Jaime Martinez: That would cause that would require you know paying for the cost of the remediation plus the cost create the part which would be at least $5 million plus and that certainly wouldn't generate any new taxes, it would only generate new expenses to the.

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Jaime Martinez: Market rate housing would require probably a much greater degree of density so higher number of units.

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Jaime Martinez: To pay for that remediation and any desired public improvements, so this would be just a different scale of project if it was a market rate housing.

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Jaime Martinez: And in general than your state brownfield cleanup program he has a viable solution to achieve the villages goals of having a catalytic use here that really.

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Jaime Martinez: includes site remediation public improvements mixed use building with neighborhood retail Community space and mixed income housing on site park.

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Jaime Martinez: I think that you know and that's a key piece to this right having a project that is transformational has to have all those different elements come together, you can have a site that is just you know one off.

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Jaime Martinez: That only works for housing, but may not have all the other additional elements that would create a transformation project.

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Jaime Martinez: Now, should this project go somewhere else right, so the unique nature of this site.

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Jaime Martinez: In general, is going to allow the village, to create the transformational multi dimensional project that would be difficult to replicate.

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Jaime Martinez: In other areas, this will help the village increase affordable housing opportunities for family and opportunities for seniors to age in place without having to leave the Community do to be priced out.

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Jaime Martinez: It will expand green space for the public, it will create additional needed parking in the neighborhood and it will clear up a sub nearly blighted site.

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Jaime Martinez: Also, we can form a past Community development plans and planning studies Now I do want to kind of just circle back real quick.

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Jaime Martinez: While this does create affordable housing, that will be an opportunity for the Community it bears repeating that is not designated for us need residents that's not something that is possible for us to do.

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Jaime Martinez: So.

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Karen Dattore: hey I just.

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Karen Dattore: I just want to clarify what that says, because it doesn't mean that asking resins can't live there is there's no profit, we can't do preference, so we can designate it just for any particular group that's based on.

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Karen Dattore: Fair housing legislation to prevent discrimination so just to make sure that that wasn't confused with it's not designated for asking residents at all.

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Karen Dattore: yeah.

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Jaime Martinez: So the project timeline is a you know go through multiple steps the starts out with the selection of a preferred developer, which we have done and we're working with the Walter.

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Jaime Martinez: The next step is the development of the land acquisition and disposition agreement, also known as the ladder.

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Jaime Martinez: And going through the Community engagement process which we are in the middle of right now, after that, we look to go into the approval of the ladder there be the secret state environmental quality review at.

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Jaime Martinez: Environmental impact review there'd be the review by the Environmental Advisory Council there'd be cycling a rule by the planning board and then a special permit from for jesse's now, after which you would have the implementation of.

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Jaime Martinez: The you know the Community engagement is ongoing obviously we're here today in what is our third session, but the second of this engagement series, and so we have, after this for more.

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Jaime Martinez: So the previous meeting videos are all available at.

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Jaime Martinez: ossining the pw site COM, you can see all the previous and this one today as well and evening before.

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Jaime Martinez: So we definitely want you to attend upcoming meetings, please you can find the schedule at that page or you can find out if you go to the villages website at bill devices.org forward slash asked me hyphen dw hyphen site or go to the Community calendar to find out.

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Jaime Martinez: Next week next meeting on February 13 at 10am is grieving our waterfront.

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Jaime Martinez: And so, with that you know, please take down, you know email village trustees and the administration at plan at village Alaskan Oregon and i'm gonna hand it back over to Karen to open it up for questions.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you so much, Jaime.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you, everybody for joining us tonight i'm so we've acquired a nice showing a lot of attendees so please feel free to raise your hand using the raise your hand icon and and we'll bring you into ask your question.

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Karen Dattore: So a see April has a question so.

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Karen Dattore: Good evening April, what is your question or comment.

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April: yeah my question is what would be the impact on our you know, being a homeowner i'm interested in taxes.

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April: And so what would the be the impact on.

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April: taxes.

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April: For let's say an affordable housing unit versus a for profit unit like Carver Square.

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Karen Dattore: So while i'm there was a pilot for Harvard Square, even though that was luxury beacons there is a set aside of 18 units that are.

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Karen Dattore: Affordable at 80% area median income and also harbor square was a brownfield and there were some remediation costs and contributed to a public park so for harbor Square.

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Karen Dattore: There was a pilot as well that pilot is about to expire within the next year or so and.

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Karen Dattore: That will put it back on the actual, so this is a very similar project right now in both the case of Harvard Square and this piece we're talking about property that's not currently on the tax roll so by putting on the tax roll.

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Karen Dattore: I mean by by developing even with a pilot, we have the opportunity to generate revenue that we're not getting currently and the pilot really subsidizes the ability to provide the public amenities that are difficult to get otherwise so.

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Karen Dattore: While we don't have that you know we really need a far more detail on a specific project to do an apples to apples comparison, what I can say is that, given the fact that.

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Karen Dattore: harbor square was a market rate project and still required a pilot because of the public use requirements and the brownfield it would likely be the same here, so the benefits that we were talking about and.

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Karen Dattore: Some of this is subject to some negotiation on what the pilot is and the length of the pilot, but here we have a severely contaminated site that.

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Karen Dattore: Will the remediation will be covered through the lamp brownfield cleanup a program, which is an incentive.

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Karen Dattore: That governments provide the government provide so that we can remediate a site it, otherwise it would be very, very expensive to do so.

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Karen Dattore: So where we what we don't get in tax revenue, we make up with government incentives that are far greater in terms of the ability to generate public benefit because we are doing, affordable, so that that's really the trade off, so if the village word to.

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Karen Dattore: rehabilitate this site rehabilitate the.

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Karen Dattore: You know, create finished listings and kill walkway and do that, that on its own, the cost is quite expensive and i'm going to actually defer to our village engineer, who I think has a ballpark figure on what that would be.

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Paul Fraioli: So just the extension of the path, without any.

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Paul Fraioli: Extended work around the path, when we were constructing the project back in 2016 was estimated about $700,000, which was the Ad alternate they call it to the contract, which was never executed.

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Paul Fraioli: But, keeping in mind the extension and a path would have to.

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Paul Fraioli: have an endpoint and work around that.

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Paul Fraioli: To take you all the way to water street, which was not in the alternate so the path alone is approximately three quarters of a million dollars and then.

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Paul Fraioli: You have all the ancillary site work that's going to go along with it, which is also a part of this project, and because the site work is not really that finalized yet there's no real.

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Paul Fraioli: Good estimate that you can put to it but there's there is going to be significant stormwater improvements and site work improvements to create that linear park that goes down from the central avenue arch to water street and bisects the parking lot and the residential structure.

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April: Well, I also asked the question, in comparison with like harper square just because being at the waterfront I mean that's like.

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April: Once it's cleaned up that's like prime real estate, you know, overlooking the water so that's why I was like you know.

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April: Did be what would be the consideration for something more like corporate square where was a portion was affordable housing, of being inside, for the fact that have like a need, I realized that.

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Karen Dattore: i'm Thank you April it's it's a good question and one that we are, we are seeking to clarify in this again the level of remediation, and this was based on a multiple multiple factors there's a bit of a difference in the immediate area surrounding the harbor square project versus the.

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Karen Dattore: This particular project this particular site, which is in a much more distressed area of the village, with a lot more substandard housing surrounding it, so in in weighing that it really seemed that the benefits afforded with the.

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Karen Dattore: That are tied to the affordability.

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Karen Dattore: Really, created a really good balance and really good calendar, we already know that there are several developers who you know smaller developers and a lot of the properties around that.

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Karen Dattore: You know that I think will encourage you know that will encourage investment in the area, we know we have some some of the.

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Karen Dattore: buildings in the area and there is assemblages that are already have been presented, so there is interest in the area

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Karen Dattore: One of the things that we want to do in ossining, and this is something we hear loud and clear from the public, every day, is that we value our diversity.

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Karen Dattore: And as that area could potentially flip and as this happened in many communities along the river front, it could get very, very expensive there too, so this is a way to.

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Karen Dattore: Make sure that as market rate develops and it will develop there that there is a balance, as well, so those were some of the considerations that were put into this.

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Karen Dattore: I don't know if any of my other colleagues, or you know bill Walter, you have had experience doing market rate and affordable housing, I know that you have a perspective on on the viability of market rate at this site.

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Bill Balter: So yes, I think, just to directly answer the question is asking you were viable to do Marguerite housing.

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Bill Balter: Think it's not the site that harbor squares in terms of what the command and market but certainly the real estate taxes would be higher if it were viable to do if it were Bible and it's village wanted.

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Bill Balter: To do a moderate development here, I think the public improvements that are required, which is sort of combination of the remediation.

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Bill Balter: The other public improvements, like the extension in the greenway public parking and talked about.

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Bill Balter: I think just make this so that, in order to do a mockery of development here the density would have to be dramatically greater than it currently is proposed.

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Bill Balter: When it village, to the rfu that we responded to the village set court parameters of what they wanted the respondents to reply to which is sort of what we did, I think that.

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Bill Balter: While the taxes would be certainly be higher if it were viable as a mercury development I don't think it kind of density that's been talked about to the site it's a viable career development.

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April: No, thank you, I mean, I think the building that you've designed is like the height of it is you know won't like overpower the local area which I think is very nice Thank you.

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Jaimie Hoffman: So the next person that we have is 827-560-0704 which, if i'm correct that might be Linda levine so i'm gonna bring her over.

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Karen Dattore: Hello mystery number.

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Karen Dattore: you're on mute.

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Jaimie Hoffman: It to seven.

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827 560 704: I know i'm no longer mute Am I.

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Karen Dattore: Not and it is Linda levine.

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Jaimie Hoffman: I win hi.

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827 560 704: How are you bored I have several questions, the first one deals with.

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827 560 704: The affordable housing which i'm very excited about I know that that we have been challenged, for many, many years on this exactly how to do, affordable housing and.

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827 560 704: This sounds like a a a plan that that will meet the income levels of many people in the westchester county area My first question is how long will the unit remain affordable.

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Karen Dattore: This is in perpetuity correct.

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Bill Balter: westchester county requires 50 years we have actually on another Development agreed to do 99 years.

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Bill Balter: So I think 99 years is probably what we're talking about here.

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Karen Dattore: Which is maybe not quite perpetuity but a long time.

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Bill Balter: Close your ability to turn in 99 years is probably safe safe what i'm saying in perpetuity.

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827 560 704: Probably a correct the second one concerns Casa don't have to do with the development but have to do with.

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827 560 704: the surrounding area and providing amenities, one of the things that people who live in affordable housing usually need is.

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827 560 704: A significant amount of transportation and I know that the train station is there that that makes this a viable site.

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827 560 704: Is there any discussion about how one could bring in either a new bus stop there to provide housing for people provide transportation for people who are going to be living there.

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Jaime Martinez: No, no, I I try to answer this one, so I yeah I can say I can save that I have had conversations over the past couple of months with the D line.

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Jaime Martinez: In westchester county who was asked us about you know whether there's any transportation needs until this project.

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Jaime Martinez: Specifically, did not come up, but what did come up with finding ways to get people on the east side of village, to the train station.

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Jaime Martinez: and vice versa, and so there is some access already to get down here, via the bus but it's certainly something that was mentioned to the beeline and

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Jaime Martinez: If this project does move forward, and you know we'd love to take it back to the county and see what what options, there are and what's the viability of trying to extend some.

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Jaime Martinez: county beeline boston's down to the site.

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827 560 704: Thank you.

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827 560 704: My third question has to do with.

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827 560 704: The growth for for economic development, the area i'm excited about that I know that that.

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827 560 704: This is a challenge also that the village has faces how to bring in new business sustainable businesses and i'm i'm wondering, you mentioned that there are other.

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827 560 704: developers involved or interested with some of those other parcels is there any thoughts on the part of the village is to at this point, really look into having a.

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827 560 704: For one of a better word Ombudsman who would kind of bring all of the the potential investors together, so you could talk about actually doing some type of a plan for that areas to what the village needs in terms of.

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827 560 704: retail business and other business, so that there, there could be a plan that everybody could benefit from from knowing what is going on.

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Karen Dattore: So Linda, just to clarify you're talking about this area specifically.

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Karen Dattore: or broader.

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827 560 704: This area specifically well this Yes, this is specifically because you mentioned that once this project gets started it'll probably be.

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827 560 704: That the the large brownfield area well, so it can be developed so i'm i'm wondering if if there, there is any thoughts on the on the part of the village to kind of think of what what should go there, or what could go there and.

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827 560 704: start thinking about you know who might be potential.

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827 560 704: Retail entities that that might want to put a business there.

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Karen Dattore: Sure that's a great question so a lot of that discussion has been covered in our comprehensive plan which are what we're doing now as well, so there is.

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Karen Dattore: Talk about waterfront development in terms of the mixed use type of uses, we could have down there.

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Karen Dattore: I think more systemically for the village itself, we are starting to have more conversations with the local business community, as well as looking at more broadly ways to.

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Karen Dattore: develop an economic plan and and development strategy for the Community as a whole, a lot of this focuses though around the waterfront area, because the waterfront is is.

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Karen Dattore: Its transit oriented development we have obviously obvious beauty and the waterfront and it's a key asset to our Community, so those plans are in place to start looking at development of this area, as well as as economic development throughout the village more strategically and systemically.

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Jaime Martinez: I might I might just add that I think that that you know, for most businesses, we see a lot of success down and Main Street.

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Jaime Martinez: You know, in other parts of the village where you have entrepreneurs who have come and open up businesses.

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Jaime Martinez: So you know, regardless of how you set up a plan part of it is that a business owner needs to feel confidence that their investment is not going to be wasted in that site and so creating projects like the db w redevelopment.

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Jaime Martinez: Is is, in part, to help instill confidence in the entrepreneur community to come down here and invest in this district, and so that that's certainly a piece of it.

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Jaime Martinez: Along with the COMP plan, along with working with you know existing groups to help guide that but it's a lot of it is just about do you feel like if I invest my money down in this site.

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Jaime Martinez: Am I going to succeed or am I going to fail and if if you see nothing succeeding or nothing like what you're trying to do, feeding it becomes a little challenging when you see new buildings go up, I think it is.

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Jaime Martinez: Something that does inspire a little more confidence and investors, a lot of investors are you know people like you and me that just had a dream to open a business and that's that's what they do and that's I think you're seeing that on a lot of our you know small town.

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827 560 704: I mean, I think I think your your comments are very valid, and I think that the strategy planning is is really good time i'm excited about watching what's happening with this project, thank you.

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Jaimie Hoffman: The next person that had their hand up was Mr van steen i'm going to bring him over okay.

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Karen Dattore: Good evening, Mr weinstein.

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Karen Dattore: you're on mute.

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John Van Steen: There we go is that better.

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Karen Dattore: Much better.

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John Van Steen: print print print, perhaps, perhaps I missed something a little bit earlier in the presentation.

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John Van Steen: But from from a.

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John Van Steen: From from a from a financial point of view, does this project eventually become a positive project fiscally for the Community or this word, this is, does it continue essentially as attacks draw.

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Karen Dattore: So i'm the you know some of the considerations for the pilot are still going to be things that will be talking about so so a lot of what goes into the pilot is is the balance between the public amenities, the public parking and everything else so.

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Karen Dattore: It will you know, we believe that it will have a positive impact immediately and, ultimately, a positive effect once it it goes on the tax rolls I think that this one, I will ask Walter Walter Walter to address to because I think that they can speak to this.

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Karen Dattore: More specifically, and in the context of similar projects that have been done in neighboring communities.

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Bill Balter: hi um, so I think there's a few things we're starting with a property that is off the tax roles and not going to be redeveloped because of the conditional property, so I think the immediate impact from a physical standpoint is positive.

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Bill Balter: In an affordable development, the issue that.

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Bill Balter: you'll have on any development is really the question ultimately about is it positive or negative, to the various taxing jurisdictions, I think it will be, while the.

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Bill Balter: Final approximation of what the.

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Bill Balter: taxes will be or the payment and we will taxes will they will be subject to whatever plan we finalized.

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Bill Balter: I think that's typically do you find that the village will certainly certainly very positive to the village it'll probably be positive, the town, I think the only question would be.

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Bill Balter: Depending on the unit mix where where where we end up with the school district my sense is that with a lot of one bedrooms and a lot of two bedrooms.

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Bill Balter: Which don't generate tons of kids that probably the school and backs will be minimal, but that's something we're going to see depending on the final unit mix in the conversations we have the school district, I think, on balance, the pilot assuming the pilot is.

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Bill Balter: paying for the public improvements, the pilot will have a limited period and then we'll go to full taxes, I think, at that point, I would expect it'll be positive, as well.

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John Van Steen: I was, I mean 1111 of the things that struck me earlier in the presentation we we understand the need for affordable housing and awesome and we wanted in the village board over the last number of years, as his work.

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John Van Steen: Essentially, to bring that affordability level down in in new projects that they take on.

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John Van Steen: I was surprised to see a 30% mid level, it seems as if that is awfully low.

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John Van Steen: And was and was wondering.

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John Van Steen: How much of an impact that had on this project and, and if that was raised to the 60% which, I think that the village was was more interested in several years ago would that help as far as the project is concerned.

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Bill Balter: Care speak to that sure, so a few years ago, the Federal Government and then States follow Federal Government created something called income averaging.

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Bill Balter: Were you allowed to.

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Bill Balter: Average 60% of area median income so in the past when these conversations have been had you couldn't go above 60% of a Mr.

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Bill Balter: That change has been great for a lot of communities, because they're trying to reach a broader range of people than just saying a few at 50 and mostly at 60 so by going from 30 it allows us that summit at so the range here is from 30 to 80 roughly averaging 60.

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Bill Balter: Potentially, it is about 68 just as a range and the reason you haven't seen that before is because this income averaging legislation I don't think there's more than three or four years old.

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Rika Levin: john, if I may add.

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Rika Levin: um and you know that i'm conservatively i'm fiscally conservative so and I am I have issues with jargon and all sort of the words that I think make it sort of difficult to cut right through to the chase I think what you're asking is, and I think what April asked before is.

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Rika Levin: How much is add short term medium term and long term.

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Rika Levin: To our tax revenue, given the other options, so we could talk about affordable housing, there are many people on this call.

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Rika Levin: That view this as an affordable housing initiative and that's perfectly legitimate from a fiscal point of view, for me the options are to do nothing on that land.

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Rika Levin: And it continues to contaminate it continues to make it difficult for people who currently own real estate in that area to invest in it, because number one.

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Rika Levin: it's not good looking I mean I can give you all the proper language it's not a good looking spot.

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Rika Levin: Worse than that if I own property and a lot of the properties owned, we could all talk about strategy, all we want and retail and all of that.

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Rika Levin: We don't tell people what they could do with their property that is not what government does this is government property that we could do.

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Rika Levin: But we don't tell we don't know if retailers are coming in Internet company, no one so let's take that off the table it, let us put this on the table, though.

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Rika Levin: To speak to I think your question, do I believe that short, medium and long term this even after the pilot will add a lot of revenue to the village I don't think it will.

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Rika Levin: I think it'll be better than break even but I don't think even when the pilot is over, it is dependent on what we agreed to the pilot that does change whether it's a couple of bucks or more than that.

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Rika Levin: But the other way, to look at it is, if you want investments, but, but in that area, the people that already own the buildings are sitting there they don't know what's going up next so they're afraid to invest.

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Rika Levin: Right so it's not just this property that I look at and i'm speaking for myself i'm looking at that whole area to speak to the waterfront and why not market rate.

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Rika Levin: Well, that would be great if we could do Margarita and I don't necessarily think it's luxury Oh, the legs, but like market rate okay.

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Rika Levin: We don't think and we've looked at this that the there's a stream down the middle.

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Rika Levin: Of this entire property they're just not a lot of developers that are either quit or financially equipped.

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Rika Levin: to really do something great with that property, and I mean great I don't mean stuff that starts and then stops and starts to stop because they go broke, I mean people who are viable like the developer that we're looking at So for me.

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Rika Levin: There are a couple of conversations here but think about what it looks like currently.

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Rika Levin: And what really could be done, maybe 10 years ago, we would have said, build some like you know medical offices that's what everybody was building that's just not happening there's so much vacancy in westchester county.

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Rika Levin: For commercial real estate it'll take a decade and longer after the pandemic.

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Rika Levin: So I think that you could have two conversations here, but the conversation of what is the best use of that that will do better than break even and actually maybe make us some money.

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Rika Levin: And here's the kicker for me the kicker is that you are getting the benefits not only for this particular initiative, but the folks around.

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Rika Levin: many of whom are village residents or used to be village residents have invested, who will it'll raise all the boats excuse the analogy since it's the waterfront.

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Rika Levin: The truth is the first few floors of that area for retail, then the first floor have really not a great view.

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Rika Levin: But they're looking at is metro North parking lot and some other buildings, as you go higher up you have some nice reviews again.

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Rika Levin: From a marketing point of view we don't think a developer is really going to take this on, and then the brownfield we've seen where other communities go it's expensive.

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Rika Levin: And I mean like really expensive so i'm thinking, from my perspective, john best use for that to elevate all the boats together.

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Rika Levin: also have the affordable housing the Nice mix that improves the whole area for everybody and at some point and not too far off, we will do better than leaving it the way it is because really.

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Rika Levin: It can't stay the way it is it's it's no longer really an option.

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Rika Levin: You could leave it a couple more years backs.

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Rika Levin: When you go down there you know it's it's you can see what it looks like it's not a good looking positioning right now.

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John Van Steen: there's there's no question that I believe that this is a very good project for the village.

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John Van Steen: After all, if If you recall, I came before the village board what a year ago, or so to say, yes, we believe that this is a good project and a good concept.

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John Van Steen: One of the things that we've had in our swing over the years is is essentially a process in which, for one reason or another, the taxes in Austin grew to astronomical portion yeah.

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John Van Steen: And we have seen that go on, you know, we had seen that ameliorate of the last couple of years as as as our tax rate comes down in there has been more of a division of this trip through through the Community.

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John Van Steen: And the end there has been more fiscal responsibility as far as the Community, the Community is concerned.

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John Van Steen: We just want to see that continue, and so one one of the reasons for my line of questioning had had more to do with with working at the margins, as far as the project was concerned, not want the not not the value of the project itself.

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Rika Levin: yeah I know that's what you're looking at john and that's why, as we discussed the pilot, and this is why this section show me the money was actually created, we wanted to highlight we wanted.

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Rika Levin: We wanted people who really want to dig through this and we're going to make it very transparent because I expect you.

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Rika Levin: And you and I know each other, then you and others are going to look at the numbers and help the trustees make decisions that make a lot of sense for the Community, after all this public land.

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Karen Dattore: Okay i'm john any any additional questions.

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John Van Steen: No i'm good.

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Galaxy S6: Hello.

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Galaxy S6: hello, I.

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Galaxy S6: Do and marissa Mayer 11 that was an excellent a talk that you did you got down to the basics, my question is about counted responsibility.

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Galaxy S6: it's a brownfield what is their responsibility or what are they contributing to this.

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Karen Dattore: So we're glad you asked that um, that is, is actually.

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Karen Dattore: it's more complicated than it sounds so as we saw in the picture that trustee white had provided from her files.

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Karen Dattore: In the 30s and 40s, this was an industrial site that was owned by con Edison and there are significant deposits of coal tar probably almost close to 40 feet, under the current phil so we have spoken.

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Karen Dattore: To representatives from DC and and people very familiar with the process.

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Karen Dattore: The there is a responsibility from con Edison for the coal tar, but not necessarily for the fail above it and the Dec controls.

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Karen Dattore: You know the level of remediation based on the use of the site, so if we were to do nothing there would be no onus on con Edison to do anything, right now, because you don't have to remediate a site if you're going to use it as a waste yard if we use it for residential use, which is the.

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Karen Dattore: proposed to use here, it becomes remediated up the up the chain there to the highest level of remediation and recently we have just the DC has recently.

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Karen Dattore: initiated protocols for on it, based on this project, and I think Stewart Maybe you can provide a little bit of background, too, because this is not straightforward that we can just call content and say you got to clean this up.

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Stuart Kahan: Thank you Karen that's correct.

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Stuart Kahan: Actually, within the past.

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Stuart Kahan: Essentially, can days.

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Stuart Kahan: etc published a fact sheet.

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Stuart Kahan: For this site.

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Stuart Kahan: which was prepared by con and connah's engineers, a company called arcade us with regard to the site, which is in.

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Stuart Kahan: The lingo referred to as upgrading unit number one we're all you want which encompasses both this site and the content facility, which is, on the other side of central avenue.

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Stuart Kahan: Where the the coal tar is located, the purpose of all this work, which is really has gone over a number of years, is to come up with various alternatives for what has to be done to the property, it was the third alternative which was in fact recommended by our cadence.

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Stuart Kahan: That alternative includes impart.

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Stuart Kahan: Basically, removing the top five feet of of the soil in the area that is where the dp w site is now and then going down.

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Stuart Kahan: Probably up to 34 feet with something that's called in situ solidification that they basically do is they inject.

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Stuart Kahan: Something similar to portland cement and it's to basically solidify what's under there, they will also be monitoring wells put in and those wells will be monitored, for you know I think a period of it's estimated for up to about 30 years with regard to that location.

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Stuart Kahan: The reason the fact sheet was published, is that the public now gets an opportunity to comment on that and that comment period I believe runs through the 26th of February.

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Stuart Kahan: And again, this is done, because it is contents responsibility.

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Stuart Kahan: To to handle this and to take you know to to do this particular work in in.

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Stuart Kahan: And the understanding is that the area will be used for the specific terminology used by the state is called restricted residential which is as Karen said sort of the highest level in terms of what what has to be done in terms of remediation they would have to be.

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Stuart Kahan: Certain easements with a cold environmental easements they would be put into place, so they can only be used for that purpose.

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Stuart Kahan: And and that's what would have to be done.

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Stuart Kahan: This is not, this is not the brownfield part this is specifically relating to college responsibility to clean up, you know that particular area.

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Stuart Kahan: which will only be for this particular area would not be the area where the economy facility is still located, this is the only we're only talking about the dp w location, but.

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Stuart Kahan: You can go to the.

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Stuart Kahan: ISI website, because they have the fact sheet there if you'd like me to send you a copy to send me an email to my email at the con.

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Stuart Kahan: O rg and I will be more than happy to send you all the documents and hopefully answer any of the questions that you have.

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Galaxy S6: Well, the only question I have is you talked that earlier in the discussion, you talked about the remediation being very expensive is comment, going to be doing the expensive remediation or is the village.

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Rika Levin: Oh.

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Karen Dattore: So, so this is again a complicated issue there's a lot of remediation that con, it is not responsible for so bill, I think that again your work and and maybe talking a little bit about the about the brownfield cleanup credits would be helpful to sort of clarify.

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Karen Dattore: This for.

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Bill Balter: As a steward said the.

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Bill Balter: fact sheet that came up in the last week or 10 days but we're also looking at, but we've been working with content and the DC to try to get the site to be cleaned up to a point where.

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Bill Balter: We can put the proposed mixed use development on the property, the issue and content is sort of two things first is.

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Bill Balter: they'll do the minimum that they can do because that's what anyone would do and two is when they do it, and is it done in timeframe, where it allows development.

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Bill Balter: In the near future, as opposed to a decade from now, so we have we actually have our training going through what they submitted as well, but our initial reaction is that.

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Bill Balter: they're not doing nearly enough to do the proposal development if they actually actively did cleanup of the entire site where it could have restrict residential that would be.

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Bill Balter: That were unrestricted would be the goal but they're doing some soil removal, but not nearly enough soil removal and instead they're treating it in situ, which means it's going to take quite a long time.

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Bill Balter: Before we're going to have a clean site, I think that the what was said before, which is a an approximation of about four and a half million dollars to clean up the site.

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Bill Balter: Is what our assumption has been to do the incremental amount of work to clean up the site beyond what kind of will be spending to get the site to be usable.

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Bill Balter: And I think when we this is, I love this meeting site is showing the money, I think we would have we'd love to have really hard and fast numbers for everything.

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Bill Balter: But we're just not there yet, and that will come in the future, but yes minimum $45 million is an assumption of what needs to be done minus what kinda will pay for it.

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Bill Balter: Ultimately, the way that gets paid for his will enter this property well into written agreement with content and the DC.

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Bill Balter: That will allow us to put the property into what's called the New York state brownfield cleanup program and that program has.

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Bill Balter: creates tax credits that we can use to pay for the cleanup of the property that's essentially the big picture of what is the difference between what tonight is responsible for and what we'll be doing.

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Karen Dattore: So i'm.

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Karen Dattore: i'm not sure I was just going to clarify, I think, to the mayor's point before to put this in in.

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Karen Dattore: Really simple terms, is there's tremendous amount of remediation that needs to be done on a site, the part that CAP con Edison will be held accountable for is not the.

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Karen Dattore: The bulk of that, and most of con edison's remediation is is literally like probably.

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Karen Dattore: At least 30 to 40 feet under what's existing there so in order for Canada to even get there, someone else's research.

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Karen Dattore: there's other entities that would be need to be removing that phil so without the incentives to and again without a project in place.

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Karen Dattore: it's very, very difficult to have the DC trigger the need for con Edison to do that, because that also comes out of public dollars so because that cost is borne by ratepayers as well, so.

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Karen Dattore: The challenge here is not that con Edison is not responsible, they are responsible, but what they're responsible for is really just a portion of the remediation needs on that site so, even if they were to do it, they would dig up everything and take what they.

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Karen Dattore: would say they were responsible for out and we would have still a big pile of dirt and a lot of remediation to do subsequently.

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Galaxy S6: So you're saying the content is you're not going to have gone into the work.

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Karen Dattore: No, can it is responsible for to do their portion of the work, but the work that.

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Galaxy S6: They are going to do it.

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Karen Dattore: Their portion they will be held accountable to do their portion of the work.

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Galaxy S6: And what are they going to do the.

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Karen Dattore: The The project has to get started, and we have to break ground to to allow them, you know and remediate the site again there's probably 20 to 30 feet of fill above what they're required to remediate I think i'm getting that right at this is.

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Bill Balter: I think what's being asked if i'm not mistaken, is if there were no project, what would kind of do so is going through this process.

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Galaxy S6: Well that's part of the question, yes.

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Bill Balter: And if there were no project, they would not be in a rush, and they would do they would typically.

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Bill Balter: Take as long as kinda has the DC allow them to take I think part of what happens when there's an project that.

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Bill Balter: You have to remember kinda doesn't own the land, this is village alam economy polluted, so the village has power here and having a development as Karen was getting at that needs to have kind of come to the table.

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Bill Balter: helps the DC to press comment so directly answer Question it's kind of doesn't if there's a project here.

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Bill Balter: It would be on the village to press Connor the DC depress kind of to start sooner rather than later, but this has been going on for very, very long time.

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Galaxy S6: So they're going to be working you're going to be working simultaneously they're going to be working and you're going to be working.

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Bill Balter: Well, what would typically happen and it's exactly what happened on harbor square with.

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Bill Balter: The developer there and kind of is there, enter into an agreement where the developer there did the cleanup for content.

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Bill Balter: And kind of contributed, what would have been their fair share toward that and then the developer put in the rest of the money so in agreement, similar to that is what we would what we would envision here.

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Galaxy S6: hmm And what about i'm curious about school taxes is this building, going to be contributing whatever is needed, as far as the schools, we know we have issues there.

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Karen Dattore: So that's always a good question when it comes to pilots, the school does receive a portion of the pilot to offset the impacts of children who would be going to the school district right now we're in conversations we were actually in pretty close conversations with the school district.

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Karen Dattore: Administration and some of the board as well about they're aware of this project we've been keeping them in the loop on it.

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Karen Dattore: So, as we look at the unit size mix and the projections on the number of children that will also figure into the pilot negotiations.

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Karen Dattore: So the idea would be to have as little impact as possible on the school district, there is always like to leave to be some impact in a pilot situation, but the school does receive a portion of that pilot.

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Karen Dattore: The other issue that we have talked about with the school district is also quality of housing so over the past over the pandemic it's been increasingly.

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Karen Dattore: we've been increasingly aware of challenges that people have in certain parts of asking where Internet connectivity is difficult and that in various instances the living conditions are not great for children in the school district.

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Karen Dattore: So this is also a concern, one of the aspects of this building is that it does provide you know, and this is something we've been cognizant off since the gecko.

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Karen Dattore: The Community space at this building and the building itself will really facilitate.

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Karen Dattore: homeschooling and and quality of life better than some of some of the other options that kids have currently in the in the Community.

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Karen Dattore: The Community space to will be an area where that can be used for technology support and we can also work with the school district to shape that, in a way that it can be useful for alternative learning space.

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Galaxy S6: So you know with the lottery you're not guarantee that you're doing anything crossing children or families.

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Karen Dattore: So it's so.

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Galaxy S6: hit miss.

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Karen Dattore: Well here's the thing and and i'm going to go back to my you know prior life.

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Karen Dattore: As as Director of Fo where we did do you know we did lease up.

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Karen Dattore: homes in the Community, either by a first come, first serve or a lottery so, and this is actually a conversation we had with the state funding entity so again, I want to be clear, because somebody made a.

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Karen Dattore: put a question in the comments to about not building for the residents.

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Karen Dattore: This is there are laws that prohibit preference so, for example, we know that it's really important that all communities do their fair share of housing.

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Karen Dattore: affordable housing and that's something that the county has been working with you know through.

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Karen Dattore: Through hud but one of the things is if rent if communities were allowed to say, this is only for people who already live here what that would do is really create a system challenge because communities that had.

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Karen Dattore: A larger population of low and moderate income people who need the housing there wouldn't be any options for them to go, so it makes the whole idea of every communities doing its fair share somewhat of a moot point.

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Karen Dattore: That said, this is this is regulations that prevent against discrimination, the actual actually what happens, though, and we can you know we were working to quantify this.

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Karen Dattore: people tend to.

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Karen Dattore: like to live, where they live, so what my experience has been and it's been expensive expensive.

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Karen Dattore: As well as bills experience, as well as working with organizations like the housing action Council is the reality is yes, this will be a lottery and people will apply potentially from all over, however.

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Karen Dattore: The most people who will apply are the people who want to live there, the most which will be likely people from our Community, which increases the chances.

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Karen Dattore: Of Austin residents winning the lottery by substantially.

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Karen Dattore: The other issue is that the lottery is a one time thing to lease up the building, these are annual Lisa so as the lease is expiring people move.

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Karen Dattore: The waiting list and and people from the Community have much greater chances over a few years to be residents of the build residence so.

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Karen Dattore: You know that is just the reality of the situation, building a preference would we'd be in major lawsuits.

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Karen Dattore: And we can't do that, but we very much need you know our are cognizant that there are people in need here, so we will be in addition to advertising, where we need to and we're required to we will be advertising heavily here as well.

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Karen Dattore: and

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Karen Dattore: You know we'll do our best to make sure that people in our Community, who need housing are served well the other issue that we have is if we do nothing, then we have no housing for anybody so that's really the the position that we're in here, but it is governed by.

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Karen Dattore: Fair housing practices that are established at the federal level.

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Galaxy S6: Thank you.

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Jaimie Hoffman: We don't have any other hands up Karen did you want to address any of the comments that were in the.

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Karen Dattore: Sure, so um wait.

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Karen Dattore: To be able to just put their hands up, so I think I just had dress one of the questions and.

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Karen Dattore: Just to clarify, let me, let me just go through, so we can check these off so anonymous attendee.

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Karen Dattore: So you're not thinking about affordability, for your residence, and I assume that this means is a similar question that we're not building this for people who already live here who need housing.

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Karen Dattore: I would say the driver is that we know people need affordable housing and to the degree that we can facilitate that in our Community through this and other measures, that is, that is the ultimate goal, but we do have to adhere to the laws that govern fair housing.

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Rika Levin: I add something to their car sure.

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Rika Levin: I actually think when I look at the time that that was put up, it might have been when I was speaking I think anonymous anonymous says i'm Sorry, I want to be clear, the conversation.

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Rika Levin: That I was having was specific to a john and Steve was asking, which is what it does from a tax point of view, etc, and to be very realistic because For those of you that know me that's sort of the way I operate I just think we need to speak in very plainly and simply and be very.

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Rika Levin: very clear.

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Rika Levin: There is both the Boards last year, this year, as I started on the beginning of meeting have unanimously voted and continue to vote in favor of an affordable housing initiative.

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Rika Levin: Therefore, we are 100% all of us for affordable housing Karen then added something that I do think people get upset about i'm not upset about it, but I, and I mentioned this count, I believe, actually last night or.

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Rika Levin: Earlier today that you know what's the right thing to do, in addition to that, the conversation I was having.

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Rika Levin: And that we can't limit it to us ending only, no one can limit it to their own residence Karen just made that point, so we want to be clear about that we want to be honest about that.

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Rika Levin: But the point I was also adding is think of the other advantages and, to my mind, even the big advantages of what it and how all the boats rise.

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Rika Levin: The affordable housing is a given I the whole project, the whole program the whole initiative is based in creating affordable housing units and as john.

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Rika Levin: was asking at that point when I see the question went up is why did we go so low on the am I, that was the question that we were actually replying to.

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Rika Levin: And then bill had said, let me explain how it works today that it didn't work in the past, I do want to, I think the question Karen was actually.

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Rika Levin: You may be right that it was about that, I think, given the time that it was asked, there was actually specific to that, so I wanted to to clarify.

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Rika Levin: That as well on both those points so i'm assuming i'm looking at the timing of the question I think that's what it was actually in reference to.

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Karen Dattore: That is very possible and they may have missed that there were two other comments and they'll just read those comments, these are from April.

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Karen Dattore: This project will be a huge benefit to that neighborhood and April also wrote that I also see that the low profile of the building.

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Karen Dattore: I also see that the low profile of the building to be an additional benefit the neighborhood a higher identity building like harbor square would be a shame so.

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Karen Dattore: Those are the comments and questions, and I think we've addressed that but by by all means i'm will will ask more, and I think Jamie maybe you're keeping track we have three more hands up so.

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Jaimie Hoffman: we'll have Joe shandy and then Linda living again so.

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Jaimie Hoffman: i'm going to let Joe.

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Karen Dattore: Good evening.

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Karen Dattore: I believe you might be on mute.

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Joe: And you've controlled me both ways.

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Joe: I think I was on the call last time I actually think this is a good use of the property.

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Joe: And you know, I do have similar question is what we can and john raised about how we arrive at Am I i'm sort of curious as to what the Am I is for the village of Boston average resident right now.

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Joe: i'm can maybe that should be our target versus something significantly lower.

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Joe: The other.

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Joe: thing and I raised this as an x on the call with any game with the other night and I have no problem with pilots when it comes to village town and county because, quite frankly, I think most of the burden that.

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Joe: US people who own housing in Austin benefit from we're going to force the developer to actually provide that.

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Joe: on site you're gonna have to provide the recreation, you have to provide the garbage can have to buy the snow plowing you're gonna have to provide everything so so given that away is not a big deal to me.

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Joe: But the one thing that you know it's the it's the long tail on this dog is is the schools.

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Joe: And we don't it's not a question of whether or not they should get any paper, I think it should just be excluded and I mentioned this to sandy the other night is that, particularly when it comes to residential construction.

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Joe: um you know I I get you know commercial entity, they don't really drive any schoolchildren up but but anytime you build residential.

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Joe: You, you have the opportunity to to cause an impact to the district The other thing that concerns me is that since we don't know where people come from, but we presume.

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Joe: that people are in the village already or, at least in the town that they come from some place to go to some place and what happens at at the where they come from place.

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Joe: You know is that just sort of the entry level for people who now I have fake fake and apartments do we do anything to make sure that those units are.

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Joe: up to standard now because the whole goal here is to not really provide more affordable housing, but to provide quality, affordable housing for people to live in.

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Joe: So if we're not doing anything about you know where they come from, then we might as well not do anything about where they're going to go.

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Joe: And so that's that's sort of.

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Joe: Something that's been on you know my mind for probably 10 years or so we never seem to get a good grip on how to improve.

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Joe: You know the existing structure, and so I think we need, we need to deal with that, and then the last one is it's for me i'm

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Joe: interested in your chart I know there were 900 and something families mentioned, there were another.

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Joe: couple of thousand units in your chart and another, the third tier of another couple of thousand is that inclusive or or or if I would add, those up it's almost five.

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Joe: Units of residential you know units that fit the category that you're that we're targeting which strikes me as like more than half of the village Boston.

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Jaime Martinez: i'm so i'm going to try to do a lot of comments and questions and i'm going to try to see if I can sort of narrow in on a couple of them.

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Jaime Martinez: and leave the rest of the Carrington tasha wants to handle them, but the first one is on the amia question.

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Jaime Martinez: So the last presentation we did talk a lot about the amia stuff I would definitely encourage people to go back and take a look at that, to find out more details, but the the way that am is is created is through a federal.

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Jaime Martinez: process where they sort of take specific data and put it together for the areas that they determined that they want to create a median income in this area.

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Jaime Martinez: The area median income is based off of westchester county so we can go to the federal government and get the Am I for West county, which is about 120 $5,000 or so for a family of four.

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Jaime Martinez: You can also come, and you can pull median income data which is not identical data to am I, but essentially the area median income.

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Jaime Martinez: Effectively, is for the full area and for you know, the average household side of for vs vs is broken down a lot more so the median income for a household.

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Jaime Martinez: For of average size, whatever that average size is in ossining is, I want to say it's like $70,055 so a 60%.

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Jaime Martinez: Am I building in westchester county averages I you know off the top my nose around 75 or $77,000 so a 60% Am I building is actually a little bit.

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Jaime Martinez: higher than the median income for Austin and again, you know income averaging.

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Jaime Martinez: approach is a little more effective at reaching a broader audience, which I think is part of why that legislation was put forward.

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Jaime Martinez: Because you do have some people in the Community, that are at 30% Am I didn't need housing and you have some people that.

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Jaime Martinez: For many years, were priced out of affordable housing, so if you're in that 80% band there was never any housing being built for you and you're still not able to to get housing, that is affordable to you you'd still be rent burden cost burden.

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Jaime Martinez: And so those programs they created that income averaging allowed for the income averaging to go up some places like New York City they allow you to go up to 120%.

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Jaime Martinez: Of Am I now the am I in New York City is much lower than the am I in westchester county, which is one of the wealthiest counties in the in the country and actually has special.

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Jaime Martinez: Data that they're able to use to create those Am I numbers but but that you know, I hope that helps to guide a little bit the the the average of 6% Am I.

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Jaime Martinez: Building in in Austin is pretty much in direct correlation to just the median income for the village period that's.

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Jaime Martinez: Different than what you would see in other municipality by municipality scarsdale is, I think, has a median income of 240,000.

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Jaime Martinez: Right and I saying that it's 70,000 so that's why the API for wishes kameez oh ends up at that much higher number, the second one was about the charts that we use.

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Jaime Martinez: The data was pulled directly from the 2017 housing needs assessment study so there's more information that you can find out about that, but the 2400 units.

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Jaime Martinez: of cost burden is a portion of that there's you know after that.

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Jaime Martinez: It was like 50% or 59% are you know rent burden which means they spend when 30% so that means the you know the total universe of renters is somewhere in the range of.

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Jaime Martinez: 4500 people, I have to go back and take a look, and then there's, of course, the owner occupied units, which is the entire universe of housing units right, so you have renter occupied and owner occupied and that's all drawn from census data.

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Joe: yeah.

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Jaime Martinez: there's more renters than there are owners.

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Joe: Which is a whole other discussion, but.

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Joe: I don't wanna I don't want to keep going but.

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Joe: But thank you hi I you know I think I think you actually answered part of john bernstein's question.

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Joe: which says, if we if we are already to essentially below the Am I for westchester county.

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um.

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Joe: What are we striving for um you know, at some point somebody's paying the taxes.

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Joe: Should I think rick I think you pointed that out at some point, you know it's a it's the equation has to work.

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Joe: Or it doesn't and I think we need to fit, as I said, I think this is a good project, but I don't think we should use this as our philosophy across the Community.

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Joe: Because I think it'll just get us to a place where we're trying to get away from.

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Rika Levin: I just I took I think this is a balancing act.

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Rika Levin: But the reality is that in the past with all the talk and, at the end of the day of all this talk i'm the question of renters versus Homeowners and condo owners and co op owners and who.

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Rika Levin: bears the heavy load of taxation is the conversation and it's one that continuously takes place and it's a really tough balance for the village or town has a whole different makeup but I will say that, for this initiative.

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Rika Levin: The last two initiatives have been market rate, I can refer some is luxury you can call them luxury market rate in westchester I think they're always there about the same.

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Rika Levin: You know i'm avalon um you know Harvard Square and a handful of other projects there's a lot in the pipeline, but in reality it's been dominated.

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Rika Levin: By market rate, and I say that understanding exactly how tough this balances and that if all we did was to affordable housing for the next 10 years number one.

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Rika Levin: We already are one of the most affordable communities, you could do the study backwards and forwards and we've had many, many conversations this community about how affordable it already is.

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Rika Levin: And why aren't other communities stepping up and why doesn't the county force others.

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Rika Levin: Like raw and Harrison to do their share, why is it always ossining we can have that till the cows come home and so typically with some planning, we are having those.

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Rika Levin: But in this initiatives, the opportunity to make that entire area, which includes this.

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Rika Levin: Particular initiatives, I will not use the word project because somebody called me up and said, please don't build projects.

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Rika Levin: Though I left the bronx because of that, so I don't use that word, even though you know so i'm very careful to say it's an initiative, because to me initiatives are bigger than a single.

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Rika Levin: portion of our Community, I think it will raise all the boats, or I wouldn't have voted for it and I wouldn't continue to be supportive.

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Rika Levin: I think it's the right thing at the right time, because in reality, most of what we that have gone through not what's in the pipeline that doesn't seem to get done.

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Rika Levin: and not because of the village because let's fell uppers, which is why Karen i'm.

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Rika Levin: Whether I, like it or not, it's made a huge point of how important the developer in this project is that's why he comes to every single one of these meetings to answer questions.

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Rika Levin: Because we we may not be so quick, but I gotta tell you what we have learned is that a lot of this depends on the developer, and who they are, and whether they have the right grit and the right.

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Rika Levin: Experience and the finances to carry stuff through I think it's the right combination it's never going to be perfect and I don't think Joe that this is actually what we're going to do.

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Rika Levin: On every initiative we got to get some initiatives that help with the economy after this pandemic we gotta get some other initiatives going on, this is an initiative with this particular space, I mean it does that's how I look at it i'm not that's that's to me and.

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Joe: I think that's.

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Rika Levin: My personal point of view i'm not speaking from my colleagues.

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Joe: I think you're right, I agree with you.

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Rika Levin: Thanks.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you, Joe Joe did you have another question or or did we cover everything, because I know you.

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Joe: Know let the other people speak.

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Karen Dattore: Why.

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Joe: I say it is like you know you people are pretty accessible.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you.

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Jaimie Hoffman: Okay, thank you john I am now going to put in shandy speller.

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Jaimie Hoffman: Good.

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Karen Dattore: evening how are you.

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Shandi Speller: hi how are you.

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Shandi Speller: I was hoping that somebody could speak to the issue around.

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Shandi Speller: The brownfields and remediation this area that you're talking about has always been a black community, it was a black community.

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Shandi Speller: When that picture that you showed earlier, it was a black community, then, and so my question is since the contamination has the effect of poisoning people physically.

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Shandi Speller: What is the I was wondering if somebody can speak to the history of when people were told about this, what was done with the actual members of that particular neighborhood with whenever from then until now and how that was handled by the village and how it was handled by con Edison.

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Karen Dattore: How, thank you, Miss feller I think those are really excellent questions that speak to a lot of issues about environmental degradation and and how that influenced who lives, where.

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Karen Dattore: The the the the waterfront as a whole is is a contaminated site, it was we We live in a post industrial community and industry was the business on the waterfront.

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Karen Dattore: I really can't speak to the history of the remediation that was done way back when and how people are protected over time and we do have our former village historian.

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Karen Dattore: who may know something as well as corporation counsel that that goes back and we'd have to do some research on that, I believe, however.

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Karen Dattore: You know the the any issues, and I think that this is why this project is particularly important right now we are a bit hamstrung to remediate decide right now the contamination is contained.

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Karen Dattore: But there is potential, you know we're near river things leech and it would be much better to get tighter control over this.

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Karen Dattore: Not just because it'd be a good thing to do, but because people still do live down there now and when we're talking about area median income.

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Karen Dattore: The mat immediate area 60% area median income is raising the average median income in that particular station product clause area.

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Karen Dattore: So the idea is to make the Community, not just more viable for the people who are going to live at the proposed development but also make that Community more viable for the people who live in that area and to.

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Karen Dattore: be able to address those issues in a fair and.

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Karen Dattore: responsible and socially equitable way, but I don't know if anybody here can speak to more of the history of content and that say and just pollution overall in ossining and the waterfront Dean, I don't know if you've ever touched on those things in your mini research projects.

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i'm.

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Dana White: Not, specifically in terms of.

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Dana White: That site um you know it was.

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Dana White: Gas works, it was I don't know when kind of bought it, but it was a private citizen gasworks it was a private gasworks.

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Dana White: Probably kind of probably bought it after World War Two or came in there i'm sorry i'm not familiar.

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Dana White: But I do know that the brownfield issue is something that exists, not just here but also elsewhere in the village, for example, if there was a gas station.

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Dana White: On a on a now vacant lot that has to be remediated and that might be on a different part of town, so these problems do exist and there's no doubt that there could have been a lot better attention paid to.

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Dana White: You know possible exposure to residents from this from this stuff I do know this is pretty contained, but the good news is, it would seem to me and i'm not an expert on remediation of my neighbors are and I talked to them once in a while, but i'm with it is remediated there is.

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Dana White: Significant site monitoring for.

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Dana White: Air quality and it's done in a way that that doesn't.

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Dana White: expose residents to.

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Dana White: Please these toxins that are being that are being removed so to me, you know the good news is that it will be cleaned up and that will be one less brownfield in in ossining, but certainly not the last.

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Shandi Speller: Well, I understand what you were saying, but I talking about the perspective of individual residents.

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Shandi Speller: And what was done to you know, let them know that that this exposure had happened, and again what.

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Shandi Speller: Did the village do what did you know if you're saying it was a private company and not kind of is not the time as a public utility what happened, and you know what was how we're residents address about brownfields even if you you you you don't know in Austin a.

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Karen Dattore: suit miss miss feller one at one of the things that we do know about brownfields so we know that.

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Karen Dattore: we're harbor square is today was a brownfield i'm not sure that there's anywhere on the riverside ever ever front East or West side of the tracks that wouldn't constitute.

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Karen Dattore: A brownfield so typically the risk of a brownfield it's usually contained because things are contained within the soil, so when those.

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Karen Dattore: Even if we were to create say a park at the wall at the dp w site, the DC would not determine as higher degree of remediation.

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Karen Dattore: Because of the usage and the exposure would have to people on an ongoing basis, so again the you know all of these properties.

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Karen Dattore: And and subsequent development of properties, you know, there have been environmental legislation throughout the years.

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Karen Dattore: That have worked to mitigate impacts of contaminated sites, of which there you know and and post industrial area are many so right now the the risk right now of of the current contamination is contained.

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Karen Dattore: You know, over time, you know you have maybe you know threats of sea level rise happens of things leaching into the River our water sources protected so that's not you know there's no issue with potable water or anything else but.

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Karen Dattore: You know I think it's an interesting question of how these things evolve, because obviously at some point when people were living next to that plant that probably wasn't a really.

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Karen Dattore: You know i'm sure that there was a lot of environmental impacts that weren't being addressed at that time.

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Karen Dattore: Subsequent though environmental regulations that are usually done at the state and federal levels have governed what's been done there so over the years.

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Karen Dattore: It would seem to me that the village would have been required, as every private landowners required to do to do certain things to make sure that they are not contributing to a problem.

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Karen Dattore: The.

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Karen Dattore: You know, again we're we're talking about something that may be going back years before, many of us were here.

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Karen Dattore: And it's something that we'd be happy to look into more thoroughly, because I think it's a great question that's relevant for a lot of areas in the in the village and throughout the county and probably the country.

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Karen Dattore: The more immediate issues that we have now, there is no immediate threat to anybody in that area, as of now, and as we go forward to do the remediation that is under there was a several.

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Karen Dattore: layers of protection that start.

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Karen Dattore: Through based on federal regulations that sort of a state that really mitigate air quality sampling.

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Karen Dattore: tampering down of anything that might get into the air, through treating it with water and tarps and things and I think that a good example of something that was done at a contaminated site.

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Karen Dattore: With a lot of recognition for safety of the Community was the children's Center which was contaminated differently, but there was.

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Karen Dattore: contamination through formaldehyde and other things, based on the previous use of the building on that site so.

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Karen Dattore: It is something that we're critically aware of and very concerned of now.

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Karen Dattore: But again, the the legislation that's been passed over the last several decades has has worked to put protections into place.

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Shandi Speller: Here here's my concern.

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Shandi Speller: it's not as if the reason why this neighborhood was a black neighborhood was because black people were not allowed to live in other places, and so that makes it a little bit different in.

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Shandi Speller: terms of how and who and what was done to you know, make sure that people didn't die of liver cancer.

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Shandi Speller: Right and so that's really my question if somebody to get back to me that would be wonderful.

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Shandi Speller: But I totally got what you were saying about the brown to the remediation.

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Jaime Martinez: I can, what I can do is I can look into and I don't know still remember something's off fan, but that you know the property was owned by con and.

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Jaime Martinez: handed over.

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Stuart Kahan: behind me, I can actually.

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Stuart Kahan: get a stellar, let me just if you give you a very brief overview of the site.

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Stuart Kahan: It began operating as a manufacturer gas plants in 1855 and continue to operate as such until.

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Stuart Kahan: 1926 and it was finally retired in 1943 con ED did not take over the plan till 1905.

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Stuart Kahan: What I can tell you is is that back early in early in the 21st century, or so I think around 2000 2005.

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Stuart Kahan: There were initial orders by the Dec for Connor there was a voluntary cleanup order that candidate in fact executed for many of their manufactured gas plants.

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Stuart Kahan: This was one of them, ultimately, that changed into an overall order which, which was, which was issued a couple of years back, involving all these all these different locations.

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Stuart Kahan: I do not, unfortunately, have the information for you as to you know when things are communicated what I can tell you is that, as part of the brownfield Program.

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Stuart Kahan: there's a specific requirement for citizen participation there's a whole citizen participation book there's a citizen participation plan so all of that is there.

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Stuart Kahan: In terms.

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Stuart Kahan: In terms of and and i'm happy to send those to you because you can get the most the gc side either way just let me know.

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Shandi Speller: But.

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Stuart Kahan: In terms of the history of the site, the document I mentioned earlier, does go into that and, basically, you know, beginning in 43 when the plant was retired by content that's when they started removing many of the things that you saw on the photograph the trustee.

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Stuart Kahan: White had provided, but in terms of.

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Stuart Kahan: You know when was it noted that the different chemicals that were formulated as a result of the manufactured gas plants in the coal tar.

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Stuart Kahan: Were carcinogens or contain you know chemicals which were a harmful to the citizenry I do not know.

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Stuart Kahan: brilliant happened at some point, because kinda was forced to enter into all these voluntary cleanup orders.

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Stuart Kahan: And that's in a sensible we're still working under now they have many of these plants This, unfortunately, is not the only one and.

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Stuart Kahan: But as I said, one of the key elements for brownfield is citizen participation and there is a timeline as to what citizen participation is involved who gets notified and basically what what.

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Stuart Kahan: You know what is required, both in the plan and how and how it gets.

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Stuart Kahan: How it gets communicated there's a baseline plan which is just the very basically the basic stuff and then there are more detailed plans that may be required, depending upon the location and the individuals involved, but again it's a.

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Stuart Kahan: it's a fairly robust program, both in terms of the explanation because it's run through the Dec so it's not run through the village, the Dec.

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Stuart Kahan: runs the citizenship participation in conjunction with the entity that's actually doing the remediation.

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Stuart Kahan: The village would obviously be involved with knowing what it's about, but as I said, i'm more than happy to share those documents at least get an idea of what will happen, should there be a brown successful brownfield applications here.

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Shandi Speller: Thank you.

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For.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you, do you have any additional questions.

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Shandi Speller: No, not at this time, all right.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you so much.

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Jaimie Hoffman: We have another question from Linda levine can I put her back in horse Thank you.

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Jaimie Hoffman: Linda you're here now.

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827 560 704: I found this meaning, especially interesting and I appreciate your transparency, I wanted to offer a suggestion there's so much valuable information here i'm wondering if you would consider.

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827 560 704: Making fact sheets that you could put up on the website so that people who have particular questions.

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827 560 704: And and are not inclined to listen to each one of the presentations might be able to go right to that fact sheet and their questions could be answered immediately, or at least as a as a start.

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827 560 704: I think it provides transparency and accessibility and I think that's really important and so much of the information is really good invaluable that that I think the public would appreciate that.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you, Linda and we are glad you think that's a good idea, because that is exactly what we are doing.

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Karen Dattore: So we have already recorded.

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Karen Dattore: If you go to the the the website, and you can get to it through the homepage on the village website and i'll take you to the dedicated site.

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Karen Dattore: We have already started Q amp a faqs we are in the process of compiling the questions any answers from the last meeting, two weeks ago, and this one so we're going to get them up as soon as possible and then.

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Karen Dattore: there's a translator tool that will translate it into over 100 different languages as well, so excellent you know, so we are, we are trying to get the word out every every way possible.

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827 560 704: So, and I also wanted to say that that i'm not good, with the numbers that not a numbers person.

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827 560 704: But I did look at several of Mr ball to his projects that that dealt with affordable housing he seems to understand the complex.

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827 560 704: concepts that are necessary to put together these projects, and they are they're up in there running and I, I think that you know, in the past when we looked at housing.

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827 560 704: we've never there's never been that that type of again visibility about what's completed, and I appreciate that I think that this is a good developer.

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Karen Dattore: Thank you, so thank you, thank you, thank you, Linda do we have any other questions i'm not seeing any other hands raised or any other comments.

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Karen Dattore: Any anybody else.

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Karen Dattore: So it looks like that concludes the question and answer portion of tonight's presentation we thank you all so much for coming.

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Karen Dattore: We will be compiling, as I said that the questions and answers so good so just give us a little bit will be getting them on the website so there'll be there to reference.

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Karen Dattore: will have this recorded and up for viewing as well, so you know if you want to share it with your friends or maybe rewatch be our guests, and we will continue, we have four more of these presentations plan, the next one is Saturday.

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Karen Dattore: February.

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Karen Dattore: 13 from 10 to 12 so we look forward to seeing there, we will be talking about the green aspects because green space is always something that people ask about and we will talking about the.

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Karen Dattore: potential to open up some additional green space that is not very easy to access right now, but quite lovely so look forward to seeing you all soon and feel free to reach out to us at any time, should you have any other additional questions or comments, thank you.

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Rika Levin: Thank you, everybody.

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